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What Really Helps Trauma? | Dr. Jacob Ham, Being Well Podcast (Cross-Post)
Here is a really enjoyable discussion I had with Forrest Hanson on his Being Well Podcast, which he has allowed me to cross-post on my channel. Below is the description he entered into the original posting.
In one of the most interesting conversations we've had on the podcast, I'm joined by clinical psychologist Dr. Jacob Ham to explore what really helps people work with - and be with - trauma.
We began with Dr. Ham's background and what drew him to trauma work before I ask him how he "conceptualizes" different kinds of traumatic experiences. Dr. Ham responded to this question in a way I didn't expect, that broke the pattern of a typical podcast conversation, and took us in a much more interesting direction. We talked about cultivating a felt sense of connection, empathy as a way in to relationship, and the value of anger. Dr. Ham shared about his own process taking risks as a clinician, using parts work, moving away from the "false idol" of cognizing, and finding a unique way in for each individual.
About our Guest: Dr. Jacob Ham is a clinical psychologist, Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Mount Sinai, and the Director of the Center for Complex Trauma. He was the therapist former podcast guest Stephanie Foo wrote about in her wonderful book What My Bones Know.
Key Topics:
0:00 Introduction
2:30 Jacob’s background
5:20 A felt sense of connection vs. the "false idol" of cognizing
11:50 A monastic, medical, and artistic approach
14:25 Knowing our intentions, and feeling others’ pain as a therapist
18:05 Surrendering to overwhelming grief
22:50 Love, vulnerability, and authenticity
29:35 The value of anger, the energy it demands, and navigating it with humility
36:25 Presence, and taking risks as a clinician
42:20 How Jacob does parts work, and finding what works with each individual
48:15 Staring at the finger that’s pointing at the moon
51:30 Does a good therapist need to have experienced trauma?
55:00 Honoring our inner protectors, surrendering to pain, and knowing it won’t last forever
59:10 Shaping others’ ability to help you, and processing trauma without professional help
1:03:15 Tipping points and surrender
1:07:25 Recap
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Who Am I: I'm Forrest, the co-author of Resilient (amzn.to/3iXLerD) and host of the Being Well Podcast (apple.co/38ufGG0). I'm making videos focused on simplifying psychology, mental health, and personal growth.
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Q&A with Fresh Start Alum
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Q&A with Fresh Start Alum
Guest on K Drama School with Grace Chung
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This was a lovely and poignant conversation with comedian, writer, podcaster Grace Chung. Grace Chung: www.gracejungcomedy.com Full podcast version of episode: www.kdramaschool.com/episodes/ep-112-save-me-and-when-two-pisces-dream-of-yin-yang-cheese-with-dr-jacob-ham Full UA-cam version of episode: ua-cam.com/video/GYkzYIIJgGk/v-deo.html
Instagram Live with Stephanie Foo and Jacob Ham
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In celebration of Stephanie's new memoir about complex trauma, What My Bones Know, which has me in it for a couple of chapters as her capstone therapist, we have an honest talk about her healing journey.
New Memoir about Complex Trauma: What My Bones Know
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Stephanie Foo's new book What My Bones Know is out. It's a great read on complex trauma and two of the last few chapters has snippets of our therapy sessions in it. I highly recommend it. It's incredibly moving. www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/658389/what-my-bones-know-by-stephanie-foo/
Inspiring Trauma Session with Two Siblings Showcasing Compassionate Curiosity
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(I re-uploaded this after making more edits and improving the subtitles) This inspiring session, shared with full consent, is between two siblings who have been through extreme complex trauma and are now trying to rebuild their relationship. I hope it can inspire people to not give up on healing from trauma. This session also highlights some of the foundational ways I work with trauma in a mode...
Jacob Ham, PhD: "The Opposite of Trauma is Presence" (Ep 1 of the Fresh Start Podcast)
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I talk to Rabbi Shais Taub about topics including "epigenetic" transmission of Holocaust trauma in Jewish families; the effects of childhood neglect on adults; and how the opposite of trauma is learning to live in the present. This is the first episode of a podcast for the Fresh Start Retreat Center, for which I am a clinical advisor. For more information about the Fresh Start Retreat Center vi...
Smadzenes mācīšanās režīmā un izdzīvošanas režīmā (redubbed)
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(Voice over improved) This is a Latvian dubbed version of "Understanding Trauma: Learning Brain vs Survival Brain" made by an incredibly dedicated duo who wants to spread trauma understanding to Latvia (Keitija Rota and Marta Štila). Incredible that this little video is helping so much. Thank you, Keitija and Marta!
Rebroadcast: The Long Arm of Childhood Trauma (with Darrell Hammond and Michelle Esrick)
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This is a powerful and moving conversation I had with comedian/actor, Darrell Hammond, and director, Michelle Esrick, about the impact of childhood trauma. They created a beautiful documentary, called Cracked Up, about Darrell's childhood abuse. Podcast available at: Buzzsprout Player (www.buzzsprout.com/183065/1051810-the-long-arm-of-childhood-trauma) Resilience Icahn School of Medicine at Mou...
The Core Secret to Healing: What I try to accomplish.
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In a mental health world that focuses so much on behaviors, diagnoses and discrete symptom relief, I find that the core pain and hurt that nearly all people need help with is reconnecting a disjointed self that lacks authenticity, sincerity and a harmonic resonance between all layers of self. And when this disjointed self is aligned, it leaves others in an awe-filled, silent and loving connecti...
Lovelink Podcast. Haunted by History
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I was featured on this podcast by LoveLink called Haunted by History: Love after Trauma. Sorry it's just a direct replay of the hour long podcast, but I hope some of you have the time to listen to it. You can also listen to it directly on the website (www.lovelink.co) or find it on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher.
How to Console Others
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This quick video provides some tips for how to console other people who are experiencing tremendous pain, loss or grief. Sorry I don't have my friend available to animate for me anymore! I tried to learn a little Apple Motion to make the visuals a little entertaining.
Learning To Connect
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So, one of my patients with severe trauma and a fear of connecting with others underwent some amazing transformations as a part of our work. He made this video as a testimony to the work we did together and he also wrote a book to document his life. The book can be found here: www.amazon.com/Grandson-Ghost-Suicides-Secret-Aftermath/dp/0997944900/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508949793&sr=8-1&keywords...
Working with Suicide from an Interpersonal Framework
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This video is about how to work with a suicidal person using an interpersonal framework. The expert I mention who presented at grand rounds is Thomas Joiner. You can see him on Dr. Phil: ua-cam.com/video/Jrjf3V7Tc1c/v-deo.html
Understanding Trauma: Learning Brain vs Survival Brain
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This video reframes a trauma perspective in terms of learning brain versus survival brain as a way to make it easier for teachers to talk about trauma with students. PLEASE SHARE! You do not have to ask permission, but do leave a comment about how you are using it and whether it helped! Animation by Thomas Moon Dutch Translation by Felicity Jagger
The Nurturance of Being Known
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The Nurturance of Being Known
Trauma Informed Starts with You
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Trauma Informed Starts with You
Using Attachment for Healing
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Using Attachment for Healing
"Every Opportunity" Deconstructed
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"Every Opportunity" Deconstructed
Ambivalent Attachment
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Ambivalent Attachment
Attachment States of Mind
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Attachment States of Mind
Avoidant Attachment
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Avoidant Attachment
Trauma and the Incredible Hulk
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Trauma and the Incredible Hulk
Secure Attachment
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Secure Attachment
Lecture on Child Trauma Using Principal McAfee Video
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Lecture on Child Trauma Using Principal McAfee Video
Motivating Others with Compassion
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Motivating Others with Compassion
Guest Appearance As Trauma-Expert Regarding Boston Bombing on Arise America News
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Guest Appearance As Trauma-Expert Regarding Boston Bombing on Arise America News

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  • @hammadhassan9014
    @hammadhassan9014 10 годин тому

    I was with that baby for 1.5 years and I really felt empathy for her and wanted to help but she never understood and pushed me away all the time

  • @EN-ol2jz
    @EN-ol2jz 3 дні тому

    This is so spot on! I can't put into words how revelatory this is. Feels like I've finally found the beginning of the right path or right way to think about emotions, feelings, trauma and the human condition!

  • @jasminegreene2747
    @jasminegreene2747 4 дні тому

    Thank you Dr. Ham for sharing this. It is really incrediable and deeply touching me, even though I am not your patient, with similar situation to this sibiling I even felt great acknowledged about my own agency, freedom and my own efforts striving for survival.❤Thank you so much

  • @DeconTheMonkey
    @DeconTheMonkey 5 днів тому

    16:39 Yes! I’ve been processing my trauma and this was what I believed to as well. The safe space is an authentic space where we are upfront with how we feel. And i want that when im talking with people. Whenever I smell BS that just shuts me up. But when people just say out what they feel im ok. I only noticed this a few day ago. This sums up what ive been processing really well.

  • @vlada.scorpio
    @vlada.scorpio 5 днів тому

    It helped a lot, thank u !

  • @TranscendingTrauma
    @TranscendingTrauma 7 днів тому

    But what if because we are hyper attuned we are picking up on actual danger. Or someone that is actually unsafe. Like how do I know the difference between me being over protective of self and me picking up on actual threat?

  • @Sophia-yo9rp
    @Sophia-yo9rp 7 днів тому

    Thank you. I only just discovered your channel after watching you on the Forrest Hanson channel. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

  • @TranscendingTrauma
    @TranscendingTrauma 8 днів тому

    What he really talks about is being a compassionate witness. When I first shared my pain from being raped with my therapist, she sat there in different. I felt so unseen lost I think it retraumatized me to finally feel vulnerable enough to share, and to be left hanging with no compassion. I think the guy from IFS talks about that as well like where therapists are trained to be this blank slate when in reality what trauma survivors need is a compassionate witness, like this man.

  • @Kasuga-
    @Kasuga- 10 днів тому

    Oops

  • @carolynb1059
    @carolynb1059 10 днів тому

    Been in survival mode for most of my 60+ years. No living, no go with the flow but control mode to keep myself safe. That is not a way to live, sadly..

  • @MA-th4ts
    @MA-th4ts 10 днів тому

    Great insight in this video.

  • @lilyneva
    @lilyneva 10 днів тому

    This is so valuable, thank you. It captures what you might want to say to explain what you mean by being trauma informed, and it gives instructions. I hope you write a book.

  • @jorgerivasnavarro2242
    @jorgerivasnavarro2242 13 днів тому

    I just discovered your book, it is wonderfully painful and healing, thank you very much Stephanie

  • @kathykay9920
    @kathykay9920 15 днів тому

    Im not sure I follow exactly what his therapy approach is. Love Stephanies book though

  • @awesomesauce1157
    @awesomesauce1157 15 днів тому

    beautifully said

  • @user-lb1ry4yp1z
    @user-lb1ry4yp1z 16 днів тому

    My Lord: Please wipe away my tears.....

  • @mmohseni69
    @mmohseni69 17 днів тому

    Thank you so much🙏

  • @karinturkington2455
    @karinturkington2455 17 днів тому

    You are the most intelligent human being. I have so many recollections, both personal, and as a witness to the neglect of others.

  • @karenconstantine334
    @karenconstantine334 18 днів тому

    Is EMDR help to start healing from complex ptsd. Or is talk therapy best.. is online help as effective as in person. Thank you Karen

  • @karinturkington2455
    @karinturkington2455 18 днів тому

    This was a beautiful discussion.

  • @karinturkington2455
    @karinturkington2455 19 днів тому

    It makes so much sense. You explained, very well, something that is difficult to explain. It seems to be something you know when you witness it in another person, or experience it for yourself.

  • @suzannawylie8684
    @suzannawylie8684 23 дні тому

    I'm so grateful to have come across this person, at a time when I'm really trying to get to grips with a whole heap of accumulated trauma. His compassionate approach has made me realise what I most need is not to intellectually search for some master key to understand all my obstacles and behaviours, but recognition and compassion. Thank you!

    • @JacobHamPhD
      @JacobHamPhD 22 дні тому

      Exactly! I hope you reach the same conclusion from the book I’m working on and feel like you’re closer and closer to this recognition and compassion

    • @suzannawylie8684
      @suzannawylie8684 22 дні тому

      @@JacobHamPhD I will look forward to reading it! I'm sure it will be an invaluable resource. And I'll also be taking up a notebook and writing my stories at the same time. I've come to see all the trauma not as something to be tucked away and hidden or solved and got over, but something that needs air and that can be harnessed in beautiful ways. I really connected with what you say about art and creativity too. Thank you for replying and happy writing!

  • @doodle9981
    @doodle9981 23 дні тому

    school is so weird because one day you could be at a funeral mourning your father and the next day youre expected to be in class and perform the same as everyone else

  • @chayarneejan7994
    @chayarneejan7994 24 дні тому

    This conversation makes me feel very agitated and very curious and hooked at the same time. The ending was quite difficult to watch too. I'm not sure why. It is as if I'm watching multiple versions of Grace in the room, each version kept interrupting each other and she rarely finished a thought... she seemed to have justified her feelings and thoughts with lots of unnecessary details. She tries to show that she's up for being vulnerable but then proceeded to not being vulnerable. I feel all kinds of agitation and also compassion watching this. Maybe this says more about me and it's really intriguing. Thank you both.

  • @mylittleocchio
    @mylittleocchio 24 дні тому

    Thanks for bring art to science and thanks for sharing your work. Huge impact and very validating as I move through my healing journey. Love and health to you and yours.

  • @oober3690
    @oober3690 25 днів тому

    I found Ham infuriating at times. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Or is it? 🤔

  • @oober3690
    @oober3690 26 днів тому

    I had a therapist tell me I was boring him, therefore I wasn't telling him the truth. I insisted I was. He doubled down. I never went back to him. I was a wreck the way he talked to me.

  • @casserolecreations6205
    @casserolecreations6205 27 днів тому

    watching that baby elephant smiling and dancing around on two legs was very enjoyable

  • @Me-nc8pp
    @Me-nc8pp 27 днів тому

    ca. 3:30 the best way to keep students in learning mode

  • @mengwang7394
    @mengwang7394 Місяць тому

    What an inspiring and powerful experience. Thank you for sharing.

  • @skyyy1977
    @skyyy1977 Місяць тому

    Two years ago I wouldn’t have understood most of this magical interview. But then I crossed paths with the most gifted therapist who is similar to Dr Ham in being instinctively led while highly trained. For the first time in my late forties I’ve begun to trust that somebody is on my team and really cares about me getting better. I worry very much for those who can’t afford therapy or stay stuck with the wrong therapist. But things are changing fast and I hope to see this change happen in my lifetime. Stephanie’s memoir is so affirming and Dr Ham is single handedly changing therapy as a profession.

  • @skyyy1977
    @skyyy1977 Місяць тому

    Wait organizations are trying to be trauma informed? I’ve worked the last six years in a trauma generation and amplification organisation. The most toxic forms of masculinity, entitlement, invalidation etc etc. I’m leaving, wish me luck. Just the thought that this question exists out there, on how to make organisations trauma informed, makes me feel hopeful.

  • @grassgrees6728
    @grassgrees6728 Місяць тому

    i love Dr Jacob.. as a cis gay man and human.. going to ur therapy sessions (even if im in indonesia right now)... is one of my delusional fantasies haha. thank you for being human, dr Jacob <3 i kinda 100% empathise with stephanie's case, but in my case im chinese indonesian haha. but similar trauma .. and frustrating trial-and-error attempts with trying to heal my heart and body and (soul) haha.

  • @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535
    @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535 Місяць тому

    Why can’t we all have a Dr. Ham as our counselors better yet someone like him as parents then we wouldn’t need counselors? 😞

  • @__Fatimah__
    @__Fatimah__ Місяць тому

    Love it❤

  • @yubable
    @yubable Місяць тому

    this conversation is beautiful! thank you!

  • @user-ep1sx2sp9b
    @user-ep1sx2sp9b Місяць тому

    Thank you so much, Dr. Ham! I am going to use this as part of a webinar on trauma for the University of Hawai'i, along with "Trauma Informed Starts with You". I appreciate your work!

  • @francis3478
    @francis3478 Місяць тому

    Dr. Ham, what you said really touches my heart. I don't know why, but I will think about it in my life.

  • @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535
    @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535 Місяць тому

    Dr. Ham is so introspective and kind I have a sweet therapist like him and who is vegan like me so he understands my dark pain over the millions of animals daily tortured every day 😞💚🙏 And his glasses are so shiny and clear; I can’t keep mine clear.

  • @gingerdevil2535
    @gingerdevil2535 Місяць тому

    Its so true - it is a lot of bullshit & I came to this broadcast looking for guidance, and I am feeling more helpless because what I am hearing is there is no getting over this fucken pain I am in and crying over & over is not the life I want to live

  • @sam-pp9vg
    @sam-pp9vg Місяць тому

    Thanks

  • @clairedot657
    @clairedot657 Місяць тому

    IFS is probably helpful for what is being discussed here.

  • @operagabriela
    @operagabriela Місяць тому

    Masters Student at Metro-in Denver, CO so thankful to have ended my Trauma Science II Class today, with your words of wisdom! Gracias!!!

  • @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535
    @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535 Місяць тому

    The Dalai Lama Is smart but he eats animals so he can’t talk about peace when he’s contributing to the Holocaust invite animals and earth Mother Theresa was a fake too as she ate animals and abused the sisters in her order 💔🩸

  • @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535
    @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535 Місяць тому

    I am listening to Stephanie’s audiobook and in it she shares some snippets from her sessions with Dr. Hem. He’s kind but not passive, he digs in Stephanie is an extraordinary writer. She writes about her boss at This American Life my favorite podcast how he continuously criticized her work and how she felt triggered and small from this while producing 80 percent of its’ shows. Made me wonder if this was Ira, don’t think it was? Thank you so much Stephanie and Dr. Ham I’m 60 am an ethical vegan, animal activist, my mother tortured me my entire life including turning my four children who all have children against me, and allowed her friends to sexually abuse me and laughed about it, I’ve never had real friends, am numbed out, I teach yoga and am studying tai chi to teach. I studied in my undergrad theater and literature in order to teach juvenile delinquents and prisoners. My last day in this terrible world that humans have created will be my best. I’m alive for my three stray dogs. 💚

    • @skyyy1977
      @skyyy1977 Місяць тому

      My God but you have already lived a full life - four children, your dogs, yoga, degrees. Why not find a somatically trained therapist and reclaim your life? You’ve been a good person; now it’s time to feel good. I say this as somebody who’s been brought back from the brink myself. Sending ❤

  • @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535
    @wildoceanappaloosawomangay2535 Місяць тому

    I am listening to Stephanie’s audiobook and in it she shares the audio of some of the snippets from her sessions with Dr. Ham. He’s kind but not passive, he digs in 🙏

  • @MariEilf
    @MariEilf Місяць тому

    9:21:00

  • @saralahne
    @saralahne Місяць тому

    So useful. Thank you 🙏🏾🌻

  • @user-xu4wx3vu6m
    @user-xu4wx3vu6m 2 місяці тому

    you described me from head to toe

  • @loriegerkey8435
    @loriegerkey8435 2 місяці тому

    This video is so insigthful. I will be showing your video to special educators and administrators at the 45th Annual LRP's National Insititute on Legal Issues of Educating Individuals with Disabilities in May of 2024. Myself and a colleague will be presenting a session on Writing and Implementing Behavior-Based Goals in the Post-COVID-19 Era. Your message will support our premise that students have been through alot and the survival brain is over working at this time. Thanks for allowing us to share your wisdom.